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Norwood_III
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Matt27 said: There was at least one Japanese study that had a few pretty impressive before/after pic's with just the use of Nizoral cream "during or after" showering when used 4-6 times a week (they didn't even use it every day). That's what got me turned on to the mousse which I recently started using. I just ordered some cream for daytime use as well since the shampoo really dries out your hair/scalp.

I know but I'm looking for anecdotal evidence. Success stories from real people who used topical keto for x months. I have yet to find one. Nevertheless I strongly believe in keto !

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5-Lipoxygenase-mediated mitochondrial damage and apoptosis of mononuclear cells in ESRD patients.

Background 5-Lipoxygenase activity is enhanced in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) from end-stage renal disease (ESRD) patients on maintenance hemodialysis (HD), leading to lipoperoxidation and reactive oxygen species formation. These effects are prevented by vitamin E, which inhibits 5-lipoxygenase activity. The present study was designed to test the possibility that 5-lipoxygenase activation might cause mitochondrial damage and cytochrome c release, ultimately leading PBMC to apoptosis.

Methods Apoptosis, mitochondrial uncoupling, and cytochrome c release were investigated in PBMC from 16 healthy volunteers and 16 ESRD patients on maintenance HD with cuprammonium rayon (CL-S) membranes in a two-step crossover study: after a four-week treatment with vitamin E-coated cuprammonium rayon (CL-E) membranes, and again after a four-week treatment with oral vitamin E.

Results Compared to healthy controls, PBMC from ESRD patients showed a threefold increase in mitochondrial uncoupling and cytochrome c release (within 4 and 8 hours, respectively), followed by a threefold increase in apoptotic body formation (within 48 hours). Regardless of the administration route, vitamin E reduced mitochondrial uncoupling, cytochrome c release and apoptosis of mononuclear cells, as did the 5-lipoxygenase inhibitor eicosatetraynoic acid. Conversely, the cyclooxygenase inhibitor indomethacin was ineffective.

Conclusions Reported data suggest that the 5-lipoxygenase branch of the arachidonate cascade is only responsible for mitochondrial disruption and apoptosis of PBMC of ESRD patients, and that vitamin E may be helpful in the control of oxidative stress-related disease in these subjects, independent of the administration route.

http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v63/n84s/full/4493764a.html

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I'm so confused by all those big words up there...Norwood_III, regarding the NO, are you saying taking NO (or L-argenine) is counter-productive to hair growth?


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doke
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so guys to cut it short keto is better for men than mico nitrate in shampoo form,is it ok to use the shampoo every day as i used it every 3days and can you also use the cream as well or is that too strong.


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Cream is better than shampoo. As far as whether you can use it more than 3 days a week, that is mainly a matter of whether you experience irritation. If you don't you can use it more often.


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Zixcreator
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I think the real question is not that keto doesn't work....we basically know it does. But how much better would it work if we had a leave in topical of the stuff? The cream is too gunky to be practical. Are there alternatives? Unfortunately I can't find anything we can dissolve it in. I bought a supply several years ago from China just to experiment with but I couldn't find anything that it was soluble in.

If anyone has any information I personally would greatly appreciate you relaying it to us all.

Then there's one other thing. Nizoral shampoo is too harsh to use everyday for most people but Regenpure probably isn't....haven't personally used it but I suspect it would be easier on the scalp. Perhaps using a shampoo that contains keto everyday would work much better.


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JohnNYC
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Shampoo was not too harsh for me to use every day. Its when I started doing that, that I started to see results. However, it was creme 2x per day that really proved best; however, application is a problem...

I thought keto is soluable in alcohol?


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I don't have any problems applying keto. I just apply minoxidil first and then with the scalp 'lubricated' it is easy to spread


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