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allen_australia
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Immortal - why the importance to take 5mg of Biotin if you use ALA? what would be the repercussions if you didn't?

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CobaltBlue
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If i recall correctly, I think IH mentioned something awhile back in regards to ALA using up Biotin as it is processed in the body, hence the extra biotin supplementation.

I'm not sure what would happen if you didn't add the Biotin, best to have IH answer that one.

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ImmortalHair
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allen_australia - CobaltBlue is spot on.

Using ALA without biotin will eventually be bad for hair. Taking additional biotin is a good idea though, even if one is not using ALA.

It's also a good idea to take a high potency B-Complex with AlA as well.

ALA is worth the trouble though, because what it does the liver is amazing.

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Patches McGee
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Immortal -- Has anyone ever reported feeling relaxed like you've had a few drinks after taking Acetly L-Carnitine and ALA together? I was feeling a combination of giddy and mellow last night. Felt a bit of a head rush. I liked it.

It wasn't a placebo effect as I wasn't expecting to feel anything after taking it.

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ImmortalHair
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Patches McGee - Yes, it does happen and usually in the beginning. Most often if it does happen it maybe a result of either a boost of acetylcholine or might be an effect on blood sugar, or a combo of the two.

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NRP
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Immortal-How many mgs of Omega 3's would be helpful in hairloss? Secondly I take a Flax product that contains 210mg of ligans in every serving. Is that good enough to help with hair regrowth?

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ImmortalHair
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NRP - If those 210 milligrams are SDG it would be. On the other hand if those 210 milligrams are say just 10 or 20% of SDG, then you'd need more.

Shoot for 100 milligrams of SDG (secoisolariciresinol diglucoside).

Alternatively, and my favorite is Spruce Lignans. Just 30 to 40 milligrams of 7-hydroxymatairesinol or Spruce Lignans will satisfy all requirements and is often much better tolerated than flax-based SDG.

About Omega-3's:

Figure that almost any grain or seed is loaded with Omega-6. Also, typical feed-lot cattle are fed grain, which is loaded in Omega-6.

The problem here is too much Omega-6 is highly inflammatory, and will increase DHT.

The best way to compensate for this is taking a lot of Omega-3. How much?

Unless you eat Grass-fed and/or free-range meats and very little grains products, you'll want take several thousand milligrams of Omega-3 fatty acids.

I think Cod Liver Oil is of the best, because it contains other factors in addition to DHA/EPA, yet it's not a bad idea to take regular DHA/EPA supplements or fish oil on top.

Fish oil 6 to 8 grams. If you use Cod Liver Oil (1/2 to 2 tablespoons) Consider a product that contains GLA (the good type of Omega-6) along with high EPA/DHA.

Krill Oil is a good addition, it has phospholipids for increase bioavailability of the EFA's /w Astaxanthin.

Avoid flax seed oil as a sole source of Omega-3, since it doesn't convert to EPA/DHA very well.

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Jacob
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You mean Neptune krill oil.

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taah
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MEN everywhere: testosterone is your best friend & will ALWAYS be your best friend. When you lose (either thro' the actions of 5-alpha DHT or aromatase), you "cop" (Aussie slang for "wearing it") the male equivalent problem of menopause ("andropause") with its attendant problems. As far as MPB or AGA is concerned, 5-alpha Reductase [the enzyme that converts testossterone into 5-aDHT] is STILL the chief culprit (or the gene experssion behind it). Systemic reduction of 5-aReductase & 5-aDHT is definitely called for when guys (bald or hirsute, but usually, and not surprisingly, bald) have BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia), as 5-aDHT (as well as estrogen - see later) causes prostate cellular hyper-proliferation. Of-course, the loss of testosterone (& other cirulating androgens, like DHEA, androstenedione, etc) to estrogen via aromatization (the gene expression for this usually commencing in the BPH-prone male from the late 40's onwards) is also bad news for not only prostate enlargement but also gynomas., loss of libido & erections, etc.

It's not uncommon for MPB guys to also have BPH, & when such is the case, NO question about it: you HAVE to attack the problem of rising 5-aReduct. levels with something better than Finas. or Proscar: Dutasteride (Avodart) or any of its generic versions (Dutas, Duprost, Dutagen, etc). Doing so will defintely & concomittantly help with BOTH MPB & BPH. Most of you probably know Duta is effective against BOTH isoforms of 5-aReduct.(Type I being the predominant manifestation in the follicular sub-units) whereas Finas. & Proscar are primarily more effective against the Type 2.

Guys who have both MPB & BPH have a very complex situation on their hands. While inhibiting 5-aReduct., they also have to inhibit the endogenously occurring aromatase. It goes without saying that IF you manage to control this undesirable scenario, you WOULDN'T have any problems with gynaecomastia, amongst other associated problems. What are some Aromatase-Inhibitors (AIs) you can use? The drug-based ones (arimidex, tamoxifen, anastrazole, exemestane, letrozole, etc) are more suitable for women & even then are chockful of disastrous side-effects. Some safe herbal alternatives include: Chrysin, beta-sitosterol (from Saw Palmetto), kudzu (pueraria lobata), urtioca dioica, Epilobium PArviflorum & some Chinese herbs like aralia, smilax (sarsparilla), cyperus.

IF you don't have BPH, I believe the best anti-5-aReduct. & 5-aDHT approach is local: on your scalp, because for the amounts required, you won't get much resorption into the systemic circulation (Dr.Richard Lee agrees with this). After all, apart the prostate epithelium (IF you have BPH), the hair follicles is where you find the larget concentraton of 5-aReduct. & 5-aDHT.

This whole MPB thing is very multi-factorial, & addressing the Inflammation issue is certainly very appropriate, although it is a whole separate field by itself (my Cambridge Univ. Ph.D. thesis on Inflammation alone ran into 500 pages!).

I don't have a problem with MPB but a lot of my very close friends & relatives do, & I'm experimenting with some topical formulae incorporating 5% minox., Dutas., Azelaic, Spiro., Retin-A Saw Palmetto, GLA (gamma linolenic acid - Omega 6 fatty acid) all in a base containing 70% etyl alcohol, Polysorbate 80, prop.Glycol. I don't know how it's going to go (with regards to consistency,homogeneity, etc), but I'll keep you posted. As you all know, Dutas. is horribly expensive & is NOT even available in many countries including Australia. [The only reason we could get some here into Australia is because we had to apply to the TGA as a componding pharmacy undertaking a study-trial].

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