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allen_australia
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natural dht blocker vs finasteride

i'm starting to think that it doesn't matter what you take, be it naturals like saw palmetto, beta sis, nettle root, green tea, etc...or if you take propecia/proscar.

they are both attempting to do the same thing right? block dht.

therefore your body is going to change as a result. no matter what you take? both are going to increase testosterone to replace the lost dht, both are then going to cause the excess testosterone to "convert" (for want of another term) into estrogen, and both are going to adversely affect you. gyno with either is surely inevitable?

i'm starting to think the only safe way to treat hair loss, is via effective topical treatment OR supplements that only treat inflammation and don't affect hormonal levels in your body.

anyone agree?



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Cresp0
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I'm taking natural supplement (top 6 on immortalhair site) since 2monthes but 0.50Mg finasteride too since 6 monthes. Its seems to work but i've a really bad libido. I'm still affraid to cutt of with finasteride.

I'm still in reflexion...

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allen_australia
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I've been investigating this with some PhD students at the university I work at in our/their spare time.

I'm starting to seriously think that trying to arrest male pattern baldness by targetting DHT and other hormonal issues is not only indirect, but harmful.

I'm also starting to think the only safe way to treat MPB is topically, and with oral supplementation that only targets inflammation (omega 3's, grape seed/resveratrol, ginkgo biloba, maybe green tea).

if you're trying to block DHT, it doesn't really matter what method you use. if you're successful at blocking DHT you can expect side effects...



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allen_australia
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no, i'm not saying green tea causes gyno. i'm saying that green tea is one of the supplements i consider to be "safe" (along with omega 3, grape, ginkgo supps etc). green tea is safe because it does not lower DHT in circulation in the system. rather it only lowers dht conversion in the skin and is also a potent anti-inflammatory.

basically what i'm suggesting is, anything used to cut down dht circulation throughout the human system SHOULD NOT be taken.

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Cresp0
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I think that side effects are a result of the organism which taking finasteride as a intrusion. an attack.

That's why it answer with burning more testosterone. --->deficient sex drive

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allen_australia
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let's not, i'd like to hear others' opinions.

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mma-uk
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you should be looking into taking a anti-estrogen, if your very concerned or prone about getting gyno

alot of people are using them to good effect

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Crazy4444
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I completely agree with the idea that to attack MPB, you have to hit the area that is showing the problem..the FREAKIN SCALP!!

If I have more DHT in my system now, why the hell is my sides and back thick and healthy?? We all now it is certain follicles that are susceptible..why is it those ones that form that horse-shoe pattern most of the time?? It really is a weird thing...

We have to help those follicles that need the help...changing your hormones isn't attacking the root. If I have a strong lower body, but a weak upper body, I need to do more arm curls, and less leg presses at the gym...The poor little bastard follicles that are buggered need the workout...

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ImmortalHair
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allen_australia - I agree with your notion about the root or the cause.

In non-balding scalps it takes a lot more DHT in order to cause inflammation (hair loss). Based on some of the latest information we have, essentially balding scalps lack the protective shielding from DHT.

That "shielding" is an enzyme that relates to phospholipids and without this enzyme to catalyze reductions a lack of inflammation protection occurs (no protection against TGF-b), allowing inflammation to set in, further, any given rise in reactive oxygen species and other mediators of inflammation from other sources (diet for example) exacerbates degradation until fibrosis makes the changes irrevocable.

The key is to stop the inflammation process triggered by DHT. Moreover, through proper estrogen metabolism, excess DHT can be reduced, yet desensitizing the effects of DHT (or rather it's triggered events) is just as --if not more important.

Bcl-2/Bax ratios (that's important), Prostaglandin balance (Omega-3/6 ratio), Anti-oxidant intake (to protect against free-radicals). Vitamin D for follicle phases/Melanocytes, Anti-TGF-b, etc.

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Stax
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Immortal, i remember you telling me about the following, here's a quote you wrote to me:

"Also, there's Phosphatidic acid, which protects against TGF-beta (shields it from attacking hair follicles). This can be taken by way of Essential Phospholipids, from a product called LipoFlow Forte. This contains specially processed phospholipids which can travel within the gut wall. Whereas soy lecithin is no where near as bioavailable."

Does this help provide that protective sheild from DHT?

How much of this LipoPhos Forte should i take? It says each teaspoon contains Essential Phospholipids (EPL) 900 mg. Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.herbsmd.com/shop/productdetail.asp?pid=27646

Also, what do you take to reduce or control cortisol?

Thanks Immortal!

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