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Sandman
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,311 |
Spectral DNC - Nanosomal Encapsualtion of Minoxidil Jacob continues to assert that Minoxidil is not one of the nanosomal encapsulated ingredients in Spectral DNC. In refute of Jacob's baseless assertations, I offer the following:The label on the latest "S" serial number version of Spectral DNC reads as follows: "Spectral DNC lotion contains highest quality research grade Minoxidil, Aminexil, Adenosine, and Procyanidin B-2 and C-2 encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes". This is a clearly definative statement regarding the nanosomal encapsulation of Minoxidil in Spectral DNC!
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2/9/2007 3:56
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Jacob
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,746 |
"and Procyanidin B-2 and C-2 encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes" LOL!
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2/9/2007 4:03
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Sandman
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,311 |
Hey Jacob: This is what DivineSkin states. Other then your own personal opinion you have no evidience of any kind whatsoever to support any of your assertations. What about the statement in regards to the nanosomal encapsulation of Minoxidil? It clearly indicates that Minxoidil is one of the nanosomal encapsulate ingredients. Actually, states basically what you reguested, "Minoxidil ..... [lists other ingredients] encapsulated in DS Laboratories nansomes". You keep crying about "Minoxidil nanosomes" and now that's what you've got! So, Jacob, are you now willing to agree that DivineSkin is stating that the Minoxidil in Spectral DNC is nanosomal encapsulated? Or, don't you have the strength to admit you were mistaken?
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2/9/2007 4:24
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Jacob
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,746 |
No it does not- why do you think I posted what I did? And I'll start doing my own new threads asking you questions if you can't answer them in these other threads. Tell me why they don't just say "minoxidil in nanosomes" etc etc etc etc on their website etc? I know you've asked them- what do they tell YOU? For Jetman..I'll start another thread if you don't see this..but could YOU please ask them? It's been a year and they still can't make it crystal clear. You could even ask about the COA if you want. Thanks.
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2/9/2007 4:51
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Sandman
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,311 |
Hey Jacob: Let's see you want DivineSkin to state "minoxidil in nanosomes". That's the way you'd write the copy, you'd be happy with that! Here's what DivineSkin does say: "Minoxidil.....[lists other ingredients] encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes". Let's try some very minor copy editing. Delete the other listed ingredients, encapsulated, and DS Laboratories from the statement and it reads exactly the way you, Jacob, would write it; "Minoxidil in nanosomes". So, there you have it, what you've always requested, Jacob, "Minoxidil in nanosomes". I mean really, Jacob, what's the problem? You got what you asked for, even a little clearer, with the inclusion of "encapsulation" in the statement! Why can't you agree that DivineSkin is stating that the Minoxidil in Spectral DNC is nanosomal encapsulated? In response to your question about why DivineSkin doesn't state things such and such way,it may be important to note that English is not the native language of some of DivineSkin's principles. So, it's possible that some of their written copy may reflect this fact. As far as DivineSkin's website goes, I never asked them to make any changes. However, when Spectral DNC first came out, I did email DivineSkin and ask if the Minoxidil was nanosomal encapsulated. Their response was that it is. Others have reported the same email repsonse in regard to this question. Sure, Jacob, I agree that if I was running DivineSkin I'd make some changes to their website. But, just because they have not doesn't negate what's stated on the Spectral DNC package insert and printed on the box. In reality, the content of the product package insert, and labeling of the box, are more important then the website anyway. Because, that's the stuff informing the actual consumer of the product. With some minor copy editing, that in no way changes the meaning, you got what you asked for, Jacob, "minoxidil in nanosomes." Jacob, agreeing that DivineSkin is indeed stating, mind you just stating, that the Minoxidil in Spectral DNC is nanosomal encapsulated would be an indication of your personal integrity.
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2/9/2007 5:55
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Jacob
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,746 |
And that's the problem..you'd have to do a lot of editing/deleting to get it to say that. "An indication of your personal integrity" would be your admission that you have asked why they haven't changed their website etc or even to possibly do just that- change it. You're spending all this time TRYING to defend them etc..but haven't bothered to ask them what I'm asking? Sure.
Remember I did say they probably will have minoxidil in nanosomes when they do say it. Or was it that I'd leave it alone if they did BTW..why don't you list the complete ingred list as stated on the package?
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2/9/2007 6:21
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Sandman
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,311 |
Jacob: Actually the editing is very minor and in no respects changes the meaning of the copy. Let me show you! Here's the statement from the Spectral DNC box. I'll put "[delete]" around the copy to be deleted! "Spectral DNC lotion contains highest quality research grade Minoxidil [delete, Aminexil, Adenosine, and Procyanidin B-2 and C-2]encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes." The revised copy then reads: "Spectral DNC lotion contains highest research grade Minoxidil encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes". The only deletions, from the revised copy, are ingredients other then Minoxidil. Of course, as I previously pointed out, you could delete everything but "Minoxidil in nanosomes" and the meaning would still remain the same. Jacob, as I've stated, I did ask DivineSkin if the Minoxidil in Spectral DNC was nanosomal encapsulate. They replied that it is. Plus their original package insert stated "nanosomes that are used to encapsulate the active ingredients". So, I was satisfied with their response and package insert statement. Perhaps, you wouldn't have been, but I was. In addition, I liked Spectral DNC from the beginning, very clean, non-greasy, and hair style friendly. After using Spectral DNC for several months I could see my results improving. So, I felt no need to ask DivineSkin for anything you may wish to ask them for. It's as simple as that. I like Spectral DNC, results are good, I have no need to ask DivineSkin for any clarifictions. Jacob, as per your request the complete ingredient list, as stated on the package, is: "Minoxidil 5% Aminexil Adenosine Procyanidin B-2 and C-1 Retinol Nanosomes Vitamin Complex Herbal Extracts" BTW, no specific content of the "Vitamin Complex" and/or "Herbal Extracts" are listed!
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2/9/2007 7:13
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Jacob
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,746 |
I take it you have asked what I'm referring to then. Again..how could you possibly spend so much time(over a period of a year) debating this and not have done so.
So they've gone from "hops nanosomes" etc to not even listing the specific ones. Just putting nanosomes as one of the ingredients. I suppose they just did that on their own..eh? Because of the wording on their website(and I will repost it all here again if I have to)..their response to my emails that things would be changed and then nothing happens. A "COA" is available and yet it isn't. Both of those issues they just seem to stall on. Because of all that..when I see "and Procyanidin B-2 and C-2 encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes"- I laugh because they could easily be saying just that- that the pro's are the ones that are encapsulated. I also notice(and now remember somebody else questioning THIS)..is that on the website it says "Procyanidin B-1 and C-2" not "B-2 and C-2" as you have above. Actually the person who brought this up was wondering why they didn't use B-2. Now if you go ask them about that- if that gets changed..have them highlight the fact(and I don't know why they wouldn't want to) that their product contains MINOXIDIL SULPHATE ENCAPSULATED IN NANOSOMES. How about you..Jetman..maybe others like greenteacup..Sublime..eidos..whichever other regulars want to- just ask them why they don't say their minoxidil sulphate is encapsulated in nanosomes- why they don't highlight it- on their website. Post your responses here and maybe things will be cleared up and this subject won't have to be argued over anymore. Anyone game? Their email is contact@dslaboratories.com ..or use their contact page: http://www.divineskin.com/home.asp?box=9
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2/9/2007 7:48
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Sandman
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,311 |
Hey Jacob: Any reasonable, fair minded person, would conclude that DivineSkin clearly states that the Minoxidil in Spectral DNC is nanosomal. You got what you always wanted, but now won't admit it. As I've always suspected your sole agenda involves nothing more then attempting to discredit Spectral DNC. However, the fact of the matter is, you have not presented one iota of actual evidence to support your misguided assertions. The only thing you can point to is your, Jacob's, personal dissatisfaction with the wording of DivineSkin's website. Unfortunately, you are niether a man of your word nor a person who's opinons should be taken seriously. You, Jacob, have proven yourself to be nothing more then a hypocritical, self centered, maniacal malcontent who is incapable of intelligent debate!
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2/10/2007 12:44
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Jacob
Regrowth.com Member Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 8,746 |
Once again you're not even responding to anything I'm saying. It's obvious you now don't like it that I'm asking others to ask and post the company's responses here. I know you won't post what they've said in the past and for sure won't ask them again. I noticed the personal attacks have once again started- something you guys always end up doing. I have presented plenty of actual evidence- their own words and them not following up what they say they're going to do. I take it you have asked what I'm referring to then. Again..how could you possibly spend so much time(over a period of a year) debating this and not have done so. So they've gone from "hops nanosomes" etc to not even listing the specific ones. Just putting nanosomes as one of the ingredients. I suppose they just did that on their own..eh? Even the quote in your first post doesn't even mention the herbal ingreds. Because of the wording on their website(and I will repost it all here again if I have to)..their response to my emails that things would be changed and then nothing happens. A "COA" is available and yet it isn't. Both of those issues they just seem to stall on. Because of all that..when I see "and Procyanidin B-2 and C-2 encapsulated in DS Laboratories nanosomes"- I laugh because they could easily be saying just that- that the pro's are the ones that are encapsulated. I also notice(and now remember somebody else questioning THIS)..is that on the website it says "Procyanidin B-1 and C-2" not "B-2 and C-2" as you have above. Actually the person who brought this up was wondering why they didn't use B-2. Now if you go ask them about that- if that gets changed..have them highlight the fact(and I don't know why they wouldn't want to) that their product contains MINOXIDIL SULPHATE ENCAPSULATED IN NANOSOMES. How about you..Jetman..maybe others like greenteacup..Sublime..eidos..whichever other regulars want to- just ask them why they don't say their minoxidil sulphate is encapsulated in nanosomes- why they don't highlight it- on their website. Post your responses here and maybe things will be cleared up and this subject won't have to be argued over anymore. Anyone game? Their email is contact@dslaboratories.com ..or use their contact page: http://www.divineskin.com/home.asp?box=9
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2/10/2007 12:47
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