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jksl
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get rid of mercury fillings

If you guys didn't know, a few months ago the FDA finally issued a warning against mercury fillings:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/us-issues-health-warning-over-mercury-fillings-856582.html

I've always been one to acknowledge that reducing toxic load - such as bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, preservatives, excess hormones, drugs & alcohol, etc., etc. - is ideal or crucial for healthy hair (re)growth.

Well, mercury was thought of as being one of those things that contribute to hairloss, whether directly or indirectly.

http://www.flcv.com/amalg6.html

A large study of 20,000 subjects at a German university found a significant relation between the number of amalgam fillings with periodontal problems, neurological problems, and gastrointestinal problems(199). Allergies and hair-loss were found to be 2-3 times as high in a group with large number of amalgam fillings compared to controls(199,9). Levels of mercury in follicular fluid was significantly higher for those with amalgam fillings (9,146). Based on this finding, a Gynecological Clinic that sees a large number of women suffering from alopecia/hair loss that was not responding to treatment had amalgams replaced in 132 women who had not responded to treatment. 68 % of the women then responded to treatment and alopecia was alleviated(187). In other studies involving amalgam removal, the majority had significant improvement (40,317). Higher levels of hormone disturbances, immune disturbances, infertility, and recurrent fungal infections were also found in the amalgam group. The results of hormone tests, cell culture studies, an intervention studies agree(9,146). Other clinics have also found alleviation of hair loss/alopecia after amalgam removal and detox(40,317). Another study in Japan found significantly higher levels of mercury in gray hair than in dark hair(402).

I will be looking for a dentist to remove my amalgam fillings. The tricky part is looking for one who knows how to do it right because removing them improperly could cause more problems.

I have to replace them with something else though (some other filling that doesn't contain estrogen or floride) because i've developed fasciculations and diffuse hairloss after i had that damn amalgam put in several years ago.

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One thing that should be noted about the removal of mercury fillings.

If your tooth is in overall healthy condition w a mercury feeling it should be left alone as the removal of the mercury filling itself may cause exposure and digestion? of the susbtance itself.

edit-i see you you already touched base on this

It is imperative to have an experienced dentist do this

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i think i might have found a decent and experienced dentist for this procedure. But, i'm almost afraid to ask how much it's gonna cost me. Dental services cost an arm and a leg in this city (Toronto).

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A great way to get mercury out of your system is with Spirulina & Chlorella. Also you can try using bentonite clay. Just search around you can find a good amount of info on either of them. If you get your mercury fillings removed it would be a good idea to use one of these before and after to remove any excess mercury that has been released into your body. Better to be cautious then really on a docs reputation.

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hapyman how effective is spirulina. It seems to be cleaning out my gut but I wonder if it actually chelates the metals out of my system. Spirulina has been worth it for me either way.

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Best way to get rid of mercury is iodine.

check out the videos by David Brownstein

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/videos/#BROWNSTEIN

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I personally had a 'doctors data' hair analysis done and had very high mercury levels. My trichologist got me on a regime of Dabur chyawanprash ( a indian 2000+yr old herbal combination based around amla(indian Gooseberry) with very high vitamin C )which provides nutrition and is detoxifying, Blackmores SPPC sodium phosphate and Potassium chloride which balances stomach acids and raises ph, and to chelate the mercury, oral glutathione 200mg daily.

heres some pts to note : When chelating u must have sufficient minerals to take the place of the heavy metals and minerals u lose. Because when u get exposed and mercury gets in ur blood, after a few weeks it will settle in ur tissues in organs etc and take the place of minerals u r deficient in, and cross the blood brain barrier. so the more deficient u r , the more mercury u retain. When u r detoxing the reverse is also true. u will draw the mercury out, but u need the minerals to take its place otherwise it will just settle in tissues again.

: There r no true chelaters, there are only substances that will stir it up so u need lots of water so it exits the body, not just gets stirred up and settles again.

: Depending on how toxic u r, u will experience headaches and symptoms for a few weeks, this is neccessary and normal, and why smaller doses of watever chelating agent u use r better than larges doses, so it exits bit by bit.

: Oral glutathione worked well for me, and it changed my life, b4 i could barely function, but now i am studying medical science, but there r those that say oral glut, gets destroyed by stomach acids and a better way is to take NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine) which makes ur liver produce more glutathione.

:the toxicity of amalgam fillings is proportional to their corrosion rate which is dependant on ph in ur mouth, how much u grind ur teeth, how u eat etc.

:get them removed by a professional who believes in mercury poisoning and will use a dam to stop further contamination, not all at once. 1 a month for e.g.

ont listen to arrogant doctors who dont buy into the mercury debate. after chelation and neurological symptoms dissappear as well as hairloss, youll be a new person and your doctor wont understand until they go thru it themselves.

: as someone said above, chlorella is very good for heavy metal detox, but i'd use it complementary to NAC or oral glutathione.

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anxious1- is this affecting your hair in any way?

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a few things b4 i answer that, a few yrs ago i had most of my hair but still receding at the temples in a typical fashion. about the 2nd or third norwood progression. I started working at a screenprinter, which required me to be hunched over a pressing machine screen prints on paper r basically melted onto caps and shirts releasing strong fumes which i inhaled. I also had to work with finely sprayed acetone and lots of turps, in a extremely hot factory under a steel roof in a very hot part of australia. I was born at the bottom of New Zealand where it is very cold and so my genetics arent made for the heat and so i sweat alot more than others and absorb more chemicals. I also had a mouth full of amalgams. I dont know which is responsible for my high mercury, and ill never know. (quite possibly both)

While i worked there my hair was falling out more and more and by the time i left i had lost alot to a pt where i was getting teased about it.

After 3 months of treatment when the chelation-induced neurological symptoms had dissappeared, my hairloss subsided and went back to a slow recession again which is where i currently stand. I do see a few signs of regrowth in my thick areas, such as hairs with tapered ends which means they have grown up in between my 3 month hair cuts, and some terminal hairs have fallen out with small 1/2 inch hairs attached to the same bit of white stuff, which says to me that new hairs r pushing through, however not in my temple areas.

So yes it has stopped the mass shedding, but no, it hasnt had the type of regrowth in MPB areas that we r all chasing. Maybe a little in crown, but not in temples. However it may work a treat for u, in fact it could be the sole cause of some peoples hairloss.

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essentially if u have metals being excreted in ur hair, it results in breakage and an immune response, which makes them fall out. Best way to check is to get a hair analysis from company ' Doctors Data ' because this is the best company, or another one that uses Mass Spectrometry. DO NOT use a company such as some of the DIY test kits purchased on line, as they use old technology that has varying untrustworthy results.

If u have neulogical symptoms such as Migraine, restless leg syndrome, depression, manic mood swings etc. ( I didnt realise i had these until they dissapeared) might as well just start a chelation routine anyway. As long as its temporary and natural, the worst that can happen is youll be deficient of a few minerals for a few months.

Hope this helps. ( sorry for blabbing on a bit)

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I'm with ya I had a lot of the symptoms ,headaches, etc... and did a urine analysis from Doctors Data and showed I had Mercury Poisoning along with a lot of other metals in my system. It is strange because I had only one Mercury filling but the doc put me on DMSA chelation and a Glutathione Push every week and its slowly coming out.

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@chuckp:

Try looking into adding bentonite clay to your regiment. You can try a bentonite bath or a bentonite foot bath. Also you can take it internally but can make you constipated if you don't get enough fiber. If you take it internally do so with no other supplements except a psyllium supplement. Psyllium is a fiber supplement and will help you stay regular while chelating.

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I stumbled upon this thread through google. I just wanted to add that since I've gotten my amalgams out (I had 8) and begin chelating with oral DMSA, my hair is growing back. I had growth within the first round of chelating.

I have alopecia areata on the left side of my head. I lost all of my girly sideburns and most of the hair around my ear. It was bald for about a year until I finally realized it was mercury poisoning. My dermatologist said that there was NO way mercury could do this...Well I am pleased she was wrong.

Just do a lot of research before chelating. You have to be cautious because you can hurt yourself if you don't do it right. Good luck!

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I believe ya. I've read other examples where getting the metals out has resulted in hair growth. There's that guy from the CH-77 product...to give one example: http://www.harmonology.com.au/regrowinghair.htm

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Birdlady,

can you please tell us what supplements/cleaners brands you are using?

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I am using Dr. Andy Cutler's frequent dose oral DMSA protocol. He doesn't sell anything other than a book. I would recommend buying it if you have the extra cash, but there are yahoo groups dedicated to his protocol. He is known to post on them too.

You take small doses of DMSA every 3-4 hours for 4 days. Then you take 4 days off. Rinse and repeat this for at least 3 months. I started off with 15mg of DMSA, but I am now up to 25mg. At 3 months, you add small doses of ALA into the mix. So you'd take for instance, 25mg DMSA and 5mg of ALA every 3 hours on 4 days off 4 days.

I will be starting round 7 tomorrow. I haven't even hit the 3 month mark yet and the hair growth is getting long in some sections. There is a section that isn't growing yet. I am optimistic though. *crosses fingers*

The reason why you take it so often is to keep the mercury from redistributing back into the body. It is a very slow process and will likely take a year or more. During the protocol I wouldn't expect your health to be very good. You will have good days and bad days. Your amalgams must be out before starting this or you could in theory pull mercury out of the amalgams into your body.

For supplements I don't have a particular brand I use. A lot of them are Thorne Research, but some of them I just bought from a local herb shop. Thorne won't sell directly to the public. You'd have to find a herb shop that sold them or a doctor's office that carried them.

Vitamin C is very important. It helps to alleviate symptoms of mercury toxicity. Vitamin E Magnesium Milk Thistle CoQ10 I can't remember what that one is for. haha A good multi vitamin without copper. Mercury toxic people usually have high copper already.

Good luck!! You can do your own research into his protocol to see what you think. It was the only one that actually made sense to me.

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i can't wait to get my filling out and replace my crown, but i think that has to wait now. i really need to change my lifestyle First. Be as healthy as i can be, before i take that mercury-removal step. I need to have a steady and moderate exercise routine and eat regularly. change my diet and eating habits (cut out wheat, dairy, corn, sugar, etc). try to get better sleep. i should clean my apartment every week to get rid of all this dust.

Is chorella safe to take if i have fillings? does it just pull metals out of tissues or does it carry out the body too? and does it cross the blood brain barrier?

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Or we can safely chelate it using humifulvate, Zeolite or chlorella and spirulina.

From what I know of chlorella/spirulina it slowly chelates heavy metals out of the body. However, I doubt that it crosses the blood brain barrier because I am not sure what in chlorella causes it to be able to chelate. For that you would need something like liquid Zeolite. From what I have heard from other people the only trustworthy brand (that we know of) is Waiora. Nidhogge has a pdf on it so I am not sure if he wants to chime in or not.

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You guys have to see this video:

Smoking Teeth = Poison Gas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA



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its the porphyrins in the cell wall of chlorella that metals bind to. (providing the cell wall has been partially broken, which is done in most chlorella from the Health food shop)

Its basically because of the shape of the molecule being something like a circular cage with a space in the centre where metal ion's fit and bond with surrounding atoms. Hemoglobin in erythrocytes binds the oxygen in a similar fashion, but its quarternary shape makes it more of a cage

'Porphyrins bind metals to form complexes. The metal ion, usually with a charge of 2+ or 3+, is in the central N4 cavity formed by the loss of two protons. Most metals can be inserted. A schematic equation for these syntheses is shown:

H2porphyrin + [MLn]2+ ? M(porphyrinate)Ln-4 + 4 L + 2 H+ A porphyrin in which no metal is inserted in its cavity is sometimes called a free base. Some iron-containing porphyrins are called hemes; and heme-containing proteins, or hemoproteins, are found extensively in nature. Hemoglobin and myoglobin are two O2-binding proteins that contain iron porphyrins.'

Zeolite works in the same manner except its much more effective than chlorella because the molecule has a much more complex cage shape, and metal ion's become trapped easier.

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Jksl Nice youtube post I had urinalysis done and it showed mercury poisoning and have been going through chelation since April. I don't feel like myself just yet. Can this take awhile and I only had 2 mercury filling so is it possible to get it from only 2 fillings?

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no. of fillings is kinda irrelevant. I mean obviously if say each fillings is releasing 5 micro grams a day of mercury vapour then more fillings means more vapour. But wat is more relevant is the corrosion rate affected by the way u eat, teeth grinding, chewing gum, acidity in mouth etc, and also ur current mineral status, whether or not u r deficient enough to make ur body utilise those toxic metals instead of the minerals it needs.

So my point is 2 fillings in a person that is deficient in minerals, and has a high corrosion rate in mouth, could still release more mercury vapour than someone who has 20 fillings but that isn/t deficient, and has a low corrosion rate in the mouth.

Also ur assuming that ur major source of mercury is fillings, it probably is, but it isn't the only one. There is also Fluorescent lighting which releases mercury and cadmium when it bursts, a high content in bigger predatory fish on ur plate, vaccines, inks, glues, and alot more that governments fail to recognise as a problem.

For all u know u could have already had a toxic burden from these things, and the release from the fillings just put u over the top.

U can have chelation done quickly if done by a doctor, but really the safest and most effective way is slowly over a yr.

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My mom use to tell me stories on how she and her brother would break thermometers and play with the mercury.

With the understanding of mercury's toxicity that we have today, if you break a CFL bulb, you need to call a HAZMAT team to properly clean and dispose of the mercury.

Boy how times have changed, lol.



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I'm 28 and when some family friends that are older said that, we use to play with that stuff. LOL

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RE : - With the understanding of mercury's toxicity that we have today, if you break a CFL bulb, you need to call a HAZMAT team to properly clean and dispose of the mercury.

U americans don't know how lucky u r to have a system where hazmat team will come and clean up a burst tube.

In australia, its not common knowledge that these tubes cause a problem. Only ppl really into toxicology really know about it. There is no warnings on packaging, and watever our equivalent of hazmat is, aren't going to come out for a burst tube. There probably too busy drinking beer and throwing shrimp on the BBQ.

In short, its not recognised as a problem. I used to love blowing them up when i was a kid. Now i have mercury poisoning, and my best guess is that is was caused my a mixture of 10 amalgam fillings, fluorescent tubing and inks and glues from factory work.

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Hey Anxious1,

Actually we don't have a hazmat team that will do it free of charge. Sorry for the confusion about that. I was actually going off an article I read a couple years ago where some lady busted open one of those CFL bulbs in her apartment. If I remember right the story went something like she called the apartment manager to clean it up since she knew it was toxic. The apartment manager also knew it was toxic and therefore he called around to find out how much it would cost to clean it up. The short answer was nobody would because everybody knew how toxic mercury was. The only people that would were people in full fledged hazmat suits that had to seal off the area. The total cost was something like $6000 to clean up the small amount of mercury from a CFL bulb!

Again, I don't remember if that's 100% accurate as I'm going off of memory here but I do remember about how nobody would clean it up and the total cost was around $6000. Yikes.

The moral of the story though is you don't want mercury in your teeth.

Sorry about the confusion.



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Anxious1 I also work in a factory with inks and the ink that we use is like a clear coat ink if there is any kind of mercury in the ink will it say it or is it something like some vaccines were these doctors say there is no mercury in it when there clearly is.

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U can read the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) and see wat it says. Personally i have Absolutely no faith in companies that use chemicals being honest about wats in them. Don't get me wrong, i'm sure the majority of companies r honest, but if just one isn't honest then u have to be suspicious of them all.

Look at wats just happened in china with Melamine poisoning from milk, and not to mention their use of lead in some toys, alot of companies claim they didn't even know because the source is a supplier of a supplier of a supplier for the company selling the product.

another thing to consider, is its form. R u burning it, melting it or mixing it with other chemicals?, all of these things result in chemical changes that r impossible for manufacturers to predict, just the same way drug combinations in our bodies r impossible to predict.

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no problem jdp, my point still stands though, at least it seems its common knowledge over there, australian government needs to to some advertising campaigns so we know about risks like that, then again they r about to fill our water supply with fluoride, so i guess i can't expect too much.

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Thanks Birdlady,

Also heard bad things about Zeolite.

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Hi guys i got 5 mercury fillings 18 months ago and since then i've sufffered alot of hairloss I wondered if you guys could tell me if it hurts having your amalgams removed and also can I chelate before i have them removed or would that be a mistake, many thanks for your help guys


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I would be very reluctant to mess around with mercury fillings. Look, there are as many people out there theorizing on the damage done by their amalgam fillings as there are those disputing those claims altogether. There isn't yet enough research done either way, pro or con on removing the fillings, so I would wait. The procedure is expensive, you may be doing more harm than good and in fact at the end of the day, we may find that it really really wasn't as damaging as we thought. No one here can say with certainty that such an aggressive step will help, no matter how nice it sounds to remove them. Be cautious, don't believe everything you read on the internet, or anywhere for that matter. Just wait until there is more evidence one way or another.

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You must remember there are as many people with MPB and a host of other more serious conditions that don't have amalgam fillings, and there are just as many who are totally healthy and have a full head of hair, and their mouths have more lead than a car battery.

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There is plenty of research on Mercury Fillings. "Dr Hulda Clark"


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If we get our amalgam fillings taken out, what is recommended to be put in? What type of filling is 100% mercury free?

I would like to talk to my dentist and know exactly what to ask for.


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regarding Dr. Hulda Clark, you may really really want to check her background and credentials. She writes a series of books about curing every single illness out there with some very questionable procedures....go ahead check her out and make my day.

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Hell, I'll do it for you:

Hulda Regehr Clark (1928-2009) claimed to cure cancer, AIDS, and many other serious diseases. She described herself as an "independent research scientist" with bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota (1958). The Register of Ph.D. Degrees conferred by the University of Minnesota of Minnesota July 1956-June 1966, states that (a) Clark received her degree with a major in zoology and a minor in botany, (b) her thesis was titled, "A study of the ion balance of crayfish muscle; evidence for two compartments of cellular potassium," and (c) her University of Saskatchewan degrees were bachelor of arts in 1949 and master of arts in 1950 [1].

Clark also listed a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of Natural Health [2]. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded in 1980 and located in Birmingham Alabama. In 1985, when this school was called Dr. Clayton's School of Natural Healing, its "Doctor of Naturopathy" course was described in a magazine article as a "100-hour course" for which the tuition was $695 [3].

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matttheman
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re my post above

HI guys just finished getting the mercury fillings out of my mouth by a holistic dentist, if any of you guys are getting rid of them make sure the dentist use's a rubber dam and a air filter.

I've now begun oral chelation with seagreens if any of you guys have the bloody things here are some things that may help;

Nutrisorb Selenium - this is expensive but put one drop in a drink twice a day as its a biochemical antagonist to mercury it reduces the body's abilty to absorb mercury

vitamin c is also good but make sure you take it two hours either side of selenium as vitamin c precipitates selenium the holistic dentist also told me a lot of other stuff to take but i won't go into details unless someone requests me too as i don't want people to go out spending a fortune when they don't need to as for my own hair loss it is not looking good and i am sheding it at a fast rate i'll let you know if things improve.


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matttheman, since you have no trouble financing such a pricey procedure, I would recommend you right away start on my full regimen and I guarantee you will slow your hairloss dramtically...hurry up.


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Gimme Poontang
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I found this article online also...

http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20090728/fda-mercury-fillings-not-harmful

I don't think I'm about to have all my fillings removed just yet...


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They say:

July 28, 2009 -- The mercury used in dental amalgam fillings is not at a level high enough to cause harm in patients, according to the FDA, which today issued its final regulation on the controversial tooth filling material.

and then say:

When the fillings are placed in the teeth or removed, or during chewing, mercury vapor is released, according to the FDA. At high levels, mercury can cause adverse health effects to the brain and kidneys.

then say:

At a media advisory to announce the final rule, the FDA's Susan Runner, DDS, said, ''The best available scientific evidence supports the conclusion that patients with dental amalgam fillings are not at risk for mercury-associated adverse health effects.

Serious what a bunch of b*llshit!

Autism is on the rise, why? because mothers have mercury in there body, from dental, vaccinations, foods, products, etc.... then the child has mercury running through out the body, then what tops it of is vaccinations (not all only some).

Mercury is very hard to detect because of the way the body stores it, doctors wont tell you this.

There also is an effect on the electrical system within the body.

I have read many studies where autism, many other major illnesses have been fully cured from heavy metal detox's. Heavy metals within the body create a perfect source for parasites to live..

Serious these bunch of f*cks are killing the world with there lies, mercury side affects and behavior is well documented and many illnesses are related to mercury and other heavy metals just link the behavior!! and wake up!




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matttheman
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Interesting comments Bobthebuilder and I’ve got to say I agree. My holistic dentist took a electrogalvanic reading of my teeth with any reading over 2 micro amps being significant one of my teeth was 11 another two where 8.2 the dentist joked I could light a Christmas tree with them.

I would like to stress again that under no circumstances should you get them out unless your dentist is aware of the risks of mercury and uses a rubber dam and an air filter.

There are is need for anyone to get them if your dentist refuses to give you non toxic white fillings leave and go to someone who will, no one on this board should take the risks not if we are fighting to keep/get back hair.


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whoa...just a second here...while I am super vigilant about my health and diet, etc, there really is not enough evidence to support the removal of amalgam from the teeth. Yeah, sure it all sounds warm and fuzzy and we all want to think we're doing all these wonderful things for our health, but let's also keep a level head here. There isn't enough evidence that the amalgam on your teeth are causing you any problems, no matter how much the alternative health movement wants to push that agenda. Sure a few mainstream dentists (with a financial agenda) take their view as well, and of course a few medical doctors. I have no argument with any of those and good for them. However, the procedure to remove them is very complicated, costly, risky and the data regarding any potential benefit is meager at best. Do I think it's better not to have amalgam? Sure, of course I do, but do I think that is the cause of all these illnesses. Nope. Some illnesses? Perhaps, but there isn't enough evidence. There is some, but not enough to warrant such an extreme procedure.


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